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| a letter to the government and law enforcement.. - posted by: Sal on 08.11.2008 at 19:16:29 |
hi,
considering i see hits very frequently from the dutch justice department (even foreign justice departments) and police precincts to my site (keeps making me laugh when that happens) i thought i'd write this more or less an open letter and maybe get a person to finally wake up.
i really want to spill my guts out at the government and law enforcement they just keep hammering how society hates graffiti but when you see commercials, tv series, (big)movies, computer games, and/or magazines nowadays you see graffiti all the time and not by accident, they focus in on it even and even hire graffiti artists to do pieces in the background. wake up and accept it's a part of society, nowadays good graffiti writers get hired by big clothing companies, movie studios, commercial companies, sneaker brands, record labels, magazines, and i could continue with a lot more. it's a part of society and very well accepted as an art, also in the art world, deal with it!
what's up with the damn dutch government (i really mean governments worldwide, but i'm just gonna mention the dutch government at the moment)? they rather pay huge amounts of money to clean up graffiti and pump money into investigations and new techniques which basically will result in nothing, if the person who's busted has the guts to shuddup and makes use of his rights.
for those who work at the justice department and for the government listen, you how to make graffiti a lot less of a 'problem' for you, maybe call it an easy solution even? build a wall of 2-2.5 meters high and 20-30 meters long in each city that has a minimum of 25.000 citizens, for cities with over 100.000 citizens more walls, and put it on a spot where it's clearly visible to the public, easy accessible, well illuminated, preferable near to the railroad and let (upcoming) graffiti writers do their work there legally without having to worry about the popo. i'm not talking about a fancy wall, just some brick wall, nothing more. you could also allow painting on old buildings which are on a demolition list.
thanks to the government's ignorance graffiti writers are more or less obligated to work on their skills illegally and maybe even turn them into street kids or into criminals because they have to go out at 2 am at night to be able to work on their skills. make it also easy for graffiti writers to get in contact with construction sites to paint on the plywood that's surrounding the sites.
wouldn't it actually be a good way to work with graffiti writers and have much less youngsters getting in trouble with the popo and maybe avoid getting them even deeper into criminality? you realize that the majority of the kids out there just want to paint and don't want to hurt a fly right? don't you think by putting them for months in jail you only do them harm and turn them into something they weren't before doing time? don't want to avoid kids to get into court and have a record or fines they won't even be able to pay off in their life time and not get a decent job ever because of all that? just all because you are too greedy to build a simple wall... come on! you will never be able to win the 'fight' against graffiti, never ever it's a part of daily life, so instead of trying to 'fight' it why not try to work WITH writers the way i've mentioned before.
don't get me wrong, i am against a lot of ugly and useless tagging also, for sure when it's on private properties and on monuments but you will get rid of a huge amount of useless tagging by putting up legal walls like that!
it's funny, i've done quite an amount of pieces in cities on plywood around building constructions and you know what people say? hey that's cool, they even ask if it's possible to have a piece done on their wall(s) or they mention more building constructions which could need some color.
it's well known that politicians don't know what's going on on the streets and they do countless of useless hearings (which are again a waste of money) and what not which are done by people who don't know what's going on on the streets either!
many countries should use south american countries as an example, they embrace graffiti as a real art form (and bloody hell if you say it's not an art form) and local governments organize graffiti events/jams or are very involved in organizing graffiti events/jams.
please wake up about this already will ya!
if you are a writer and you got something constructive to add please feel free to add a serious comment, but no foul language please, cussing and what not won't get us anywhere, those posts will be deleted. you don't have to enter an email when you write a comment and your i.p. won't be logged either. please do mention what you write though. when you want to add paragraph please use <br><br>, so you'll get a double return.
who knows, maybe we'll able to reach some listening ears, it absolutely can't harm.
Sal
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| Posted by: xorloser on 04.09.2009 at 09:40:52 |
| the problem is that the term graffiti encompasses both art and crappy scribbles. too many young kids get around thinnking they are doing art when they are just putting up some shitty tag. it is these shitty tags that are everywhere and don't look good that gives graffiti a bad name. if it was just awesome pieces such as you see in games and movies and tv etc, then there wouldn't be such a problem. |
| Posted by: SENCK on 03.06.2009 at 13:03:49 |
| I fully agree on your point of view....
Just when community in my hometown decides to legalize a wall, they call it off, just when housing cooperation decides to give free walls, they call it back...
And then? writers and bombers continue to rock walls......
Big Applause for the City council...
groeten uit Oss |
| Posted by: Toyletwo2 Midwest USA on 18.11.2008 at 13:33:39 |
| I believe every ones points are valid and need to be looked at on a professional view.
Im not going to be bias and say Graffiti is right or its not an eyesore nor a problem because it clearly is.
To a certain degree Graffiti gets out of hand and i can agree with the law, everyday citizens have the right to walk in there neighborhoods and not have to look at graffiti such as tags or hollow/fill-in throwies plain and simple its criminal damaging.
As a writer we all know the first steps to becoming a writer is to build from handstyles to burners and we all start out as Toys and as a toy your main objective is to GET UP to be known illegally by an alias pretty much a goal to see how much attention you can stir up weather if u have style or not. (And this little bit of criminal activity will always be a factor and always will be a burden on Writers who are working on to making Graffiti a legal art form) i simply believe if there could be a stop to the process of upcoming writers from destroying the city streets and we start a new standard for our generation of writers instead of using the techniques that are used and started by writers from new york from the mid 70's we could potentially have no problem using spray cans legally as a medium of Art.
Yes i do agree having legal walls set up will limit the criminal activity but only minor having legal walls brings more people and more people creates less space and less space creates yet the same problem your trying to avoid.Do you think a veteran writer that just painted a 2 day production burner is going to allow a little kid come by and scribble on his production just because its a legal wall and the little kid has the right to do so of course not that little kid is going to be forced back into the streets. Or he will be a kid and just cross it out to build his Ego and ego is a beast it gets the best of everyone of us weather if you like to admit it or not.Im sure everyone on this board has been to a Event or a Jam and when you go theres designated areas for the writers to paint on but as you notice every building outside that designated area is always covered to within a few block radius, you ask why this is, its simple because there writers coming to support better artist or friends of the crew that are participating in the events and these "writers" will go around and get there names up so everyone notices them just as much as the writers attending the events..
So pretty much back to the beginning the main objective is to be known and get up no matter the cost because once your known by a better writer the more recognition open doors and opportunities occur and thats what every writer wants.
Now far as the Governing Law everyone has spoken clearly that Graffiti is a part of a everyday life. And i have to agree with it theres no way actually never will the Government stop or slow down the process of Graffiti no matter how many people they imprison or fine for Aerosol painting, Graffiti is Media Advertisement ( Governments only consider Graffiti writers criminals "Vandals" because of the medium in witch we interpret our art by using aerosol spray cans and not necessarily where we put our mark) Think about this Large corporations spend millions of dollars to advertise there markets from radio to television,billboards,fliers,posters,stickers,to web spaces.All these things are spread out everywhere to capitalize on smaller companies so they will do what ever it takes to have something a little more eye catching a little bit bigger brighter louder better then there competition and thats what Graffiti is so when the government stops Mass Media Advertisement they might slow down the process of Graffiti but then it brings up the point of Stopping graffiti and as i said it will never be stopped graffiti has been here since Man arrived on the planet Cavemen use symbols and carvings in stone to communicate and the growth from there has became to what we live today.
i have to say everyone has great valid points and hope the best for SAL. |
| Posted by: SEIC Bx NY cir. 1979 X-Men on 17.11.2008 at 16:23:10 |
| Graffiti is the ultimate form of expression for youth an the culture of people who have no "voice". If you think of all of society's ills and the worst things that can happen to these kids that have to hold their own on the streets, then graffiti is a better alternative. Too often the cry of the youth and the streets gets drowned out by the daily confusion that society throws at us, hate, fear, depression, chaos and the abscence of hope. Graffiti is pure - and from the soul and is the fruit of corrupt societies who steal money and life from the people. Graffiti is the will of the people, you try to break the will of the people and they rebel - Graffiti is a sure sign that you have a rebellion on your hands - and you must take a look at how you run things as the reason that Graffiti has grown so much. You must share the wealth with the people - give them all the opportunities of priveledge and not keep people earning minimum wages that would take 10 working adults to pool their money in order to make it. To those who are ashamed of Graffiti and think it an eyesore - shame on you - because of you and your policies of oppression is the reason why Graffiti will survive.
Graffiti is "The Will of the People" |
| Posted by: late NRK from east coast usa on 17.11.2008 at 12:44:23 |
| sal i totally agree with what your saying me and alot of the writers in my area have been trying to get a wall for the longest time. i hope this works wether it be in america or not. social acceptance of grafiti IS on the rise i just hope theres something we can do to change the governments view of a beautiful art form. |
| Posted by: [wes]DIEMS on 16.11.2008 at 01:03:17 |
| The construction of a place where writers can express to public [graffiti parks] for ex." is essential to eliminate part of graff.vandalism/ this blog is not a rise against government, just a way to give them ideas on the way they could spend the money helping the arts instead of spending on cleaning the streets, it's a problem that will never go away, but it could be minimized by building this kind of "complex for us writers.
I hope this goes far to the point someone wakes up!!
BNA//KD//SILVER CAPS//XMEN ... ... |
| Posted by: TASK DVK on 15.11.2008 at 12:13:49 |
| I feel you on this one Sal,,,honastly if i had a spot to paint and not sweat the Bulls i wouldnt even get down on illegal graffiti,call me a fake call me a toy i just straight up enjoy the art and thats my opinion!!! STAY UP SAL TASK!!!! |
| Posted by: SmacOne on 14.11.2008 at 23:38:04 |
The graffiti of the ancient egyptians are studied on how a people once lived, as well as many ancient cultures, incans, mayans, etc.
Although krylon won't last near as long as stone, it would be a way for some people to take a look at another's artistic point of view, as well as their way of life.
Some people don't have access to actual canvas but do have five bucks to go grab a can and some tips.
I look at Van Gogh and see beautiful streaks of imagination. I see a mural under a bridge in the same aspect.
Unfortunately, the only graffiti that has been studied is gang related garbage that has no artistic value and only claims territories or violates another's. Until the connection between the two is disconnected, there will always be this preconceived notion that the two are one in the same.
And when that day comes, the world will discover there are more Van Goghs and Picassos with stained fingertips hidden under a hoodie and a crooked cap than ever imagined. And on that same day, they might come to understand how these Picasso's live(d) and view(ed) the world.
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| Posted by: unknown name!!!!! on 14.11.2008 at 15:33:05 |
| well i say graffiti is not a crime its just art in a wall and if graffiti was legal i bet this world would look better and more colorful i say if art can change people then it can change the world
graffiti is a art that expresses peoples feelings on wha t the see or live |
| Posted by: EBEE on 08.11.2008 at 22:18:38 |
| How much time and how much of the tax payers money will have to be spent before the government realise this is the best way to clamping down on illegal graffiti?
Graffiti is not a fad.It has been around many years and will continue to do so.
The amount of arrests and fines not to mention people being imprisoned has not and never will stop the illegal art.
As stated already it would be more than fair to say that graffiti has been excepted by more and more of the society today.
As a matter of fact it is probable that since the original laws were imposed on handling graffiti that there are more graffiti artists now than ever.
Yes graffiti has a good and bad side.You have the illegal work (tags,bombs) etc but also have the graffiti that has been accepted by many a person,company and more making it a worthwile so called illegal art to invest in.
What the government needs to do is clamp down on the illegal side.The side that can and i agree myself to sometimes be considered an eyesore.
The fines,community service and imprisonment just isn't working but they continue to spend the tax payers money in combating it this way.Have they just given up on ideas?
The stated solution above is the only way.Of course it will not stamp it out entirely but will certainly stop much of it.
Enough of it to make a difference.Not only to the tax payer but to the eye of the public.
Surely this is what they want.
How long will it take for the government to make a step like this.
They have to realise that illegal graffiti is not always done by people who want to go and commit crime.It is done by people who love what they do but have nowhere to do it.
Give them somewhere to do it and stop moaning about how much the place looks a mess.
I wait for some more legal spots as i hear some of my ones are now illegal and the police are taking cans of the artists there!
The worst thing to do is keep taking them.
EBEE |
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